Saturday, February 25, 2006

BCW List

BCW = BeCause Why???

I used to belong to this list, as did a lot of others. In Feb 2004, I was banned. But I was in good company as Jim Watson ki6gu, Trish k4ze (at that time a SWL), and a number of others were summarily dismissed without any explanation. And if their reason had been because they were making the list for HAMS only, I would have accepted and understood. But that was NOT the reason as several HAMS were also banned. They just got rid of the people they didn’t personally like!

Their loss, my gain, as that’s about when I started my OWN list; HamFanz http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HamFanz a list where ANYONE with an interest in Amateur Radio, Art Bell, c2c topics, or ‘the group’, could join and converse without being ‘moderated’ or banned (there have been 3 people banned in 3 yrs.).

BCW = Big Cult Worshipers???

Perhaps that’s what it means. Though Art Bell doesn’t (or at least didn't) subscribe to the BCW list (he doesn’t believe in them, or forums he claims), he seems to run the BCW list from behind the scenes through his main flunky Ben Gardner kd7bcw. He sends Ben messages to pass on to the ‘group’, and Ben does.

BCW = Ben’s Conservative Wimps???

OR, perhaps Ben just does this stuff in the hopes of culling favor from the ‘big guy’. Perhaps artie doesn’t ask him to do this stuff at all. Ben claims that the group wasn’t even his doing, that Bonnie kq6xa, set it up and runs it. And that Bonnie was the person that did the mass ‘banning’. Which just weeks later, Ben admitted on air, was a lie. That HE had decided who to ban from the list, and had done the banning.

BCW = Bonnie’s Ceremonial Whacko’s???

So why was I surprised to find that some of the banned, had REJOINED BCW list??? How could they invest their time and energy to an endeavor when at any minute, at the uttering of a ‘wrong’ sentiment, or at arties ‘ousting’ of a HAM on air, they could be kicked off the BCW list AGAIN, and have to go through all that separation anxiety and embarrassment all over?

I guess the need for acceptance (inclusion?) from your peers can be a strong pull, even when it runs counter to your common sense!

And so it went! Steve kg6txh, was banned from BCW because he’s Steve. And Bill wb6bnq, then Billie n6ayj. And last month, Jim Watson, ki6gu was banned, because artie decided he didn’t like him any longer. Jim MAY actually be some kind of record holder – having now been banned from the list twice! (Some folks don’t learn easily – you only have to stab ME once!)

BCW = Big Capricious Whiners???

Well, all these ‘banned’ folk are welcome at HamFanz! And many have already joined and HamFanz has no problem with these people, most are participating, productive members.

But sadly, and I do hope I’m wrong, I have a hunch they’d literally wet their pants if ever invited back to BCW, racing to be embraced with open arms and a 'we forgive you for being you'!

The question is: why don’t they USE the HAMFANZ list as they did the BCW list, inviting their HAM pals to join them there? And/or, if they really can’t tolerate ‘mixing’ with c2c listeners, and SWL’s, then start a HAMS ONLY list of their own??? It could be named BCWjr.

16 comments:

Carl Richardson said...

EVVY Wrote:
“I used to belong to this list, as did a lot of others. In Feb 2004, I was banned. But I was in good company as Jim Watson ki6gu, Trish (at that time a SWL) and a number of others were summarily dismissed without any explanation.”

Well it is Ben’s list and he can ban anyone he likes, I think by now it’s quite apparent that they prefer to keep the arguments and disagreement down to a minimum. Considering that there are enough of those problems on the air I know they all feel they could do without.

EVVY Wrote:

”Their loss, my gain, as that’s about when I started my OWN list; HamFanz http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HamFanz a list where ANYONE with an interest in Amateur Radio, Art Bell, or ‘the group’, could join and converse without being ‘moderated’ or banned.”

Your right you have gained a lot of the debunked BCW users and also those that would not be allowed to join that list. I am a member of both groups myself, but I don’t post a lot of my opinions here because in the past I have been verbally attacked and I don’t care for this type of drudgery. I don’t fell it is necessary to attack someone appearance, of course considering the source I wasn’t surprised.

EVVY Wrote:

“Art Bell doesn’t subscribe to the BCW list (he doesn’t believe in them, or forums he claims), he seems to run it from behind the scenes through his main flunky Ben Gardner kd7bcw. He sends Ben messages to pass on to the ‘group’, and Ben does.”

Far be it from me to speak on behalf of Art Bell, but I do believe Art has better things to do in his life then to worry about what goes on in any forum on the internet. He has a radio station to run and a weekend talk show to perform. As for Ben being Arts flunky, there couldn’t be anything farther from the truth. Ben is his own man and much like myself, he doesn’t care for controversy. So he eliminates that element from his yahoo list. If I was running a similar list I would do the same thing.

EVVY Wrote:

“Perhaps Ben just does this stuff in the hopes of culling favor from the ‘big guy’. Perhaps artie doesn’t ask him to do this stuff at all. Ben claims that the group wasn’t even his doing, that Bonnie set it up and runs it”

I don’t think Ben does anything to win Arts favor. I am sure Ben does some things that Art wouldn’t agree with and vice versa, but regardless they are both men of good conscience and have been friends for a long time.

EVVY Wrote:

“ki6gu was banned, because artie decided he didn’t like him any longer. Jim MAY actually be some kind of record holder – having now been banned from the list twice! (Some folks don’t learn easily – you only have to stab ME once!)”

Jim was band because he was consistently rude to other hams on the air and in the group. He made sarcastic remarks about anyone that he felt was below him. I personally feel he was somewhat jealous when hams that where not regulars of the group would stop by to say hello to Art. What ever his reason was, he was inexcusably hurtful to his fellow human beings. I can only assume that when Jim was in school, he was the school bully, he surly fits the profile, but unlike most of us, he never grew up!

Have a nice day!

Bill Crowell said...

OK, Carl, I'm going to lay it out for you. In the first place, you don't know how to spell, punctuate, use proper grammar, or write in general. To make matters worse, you don't even seem to realize that you don't know these things. And to make it EVEN WORSE, you insist on posting long messages which make it painfully clear to everyone but yourself that you don't know these things. So here's what you need to know: (1) it's nobody's fault but your own that you didn't pay attention in school, or that perhaps you have a learning disability. (2) It's really embarrassing that you keep posting these long messages. Nobody wants to read them, and it's actually painfully embarrassing to do so. Please spare everybody this tribulation by not posting anything in the future. (3) You apparently have absolutely no idea how you come across to others as a complete idiot. This is extremely disconcerting, and makes others feel very uncomfortable.

"I don’t fell it is necessary to attack someone appearance, of course considering the source I wasn’t surprised."

Well, Carl, let's be honest: you weigh about 450, don't you? And you want us to take you seriously? Well, let me ask you this: if someone who was obviously addicted to cocaine denied he was an addict and wanted you to take him seriously, would you? Of course not, if only because someone who has such a lack of control over his impulses is not likely to be credible. So are we supposed to ignore the fact that you are obviously addicted to food? That you obviously talk on the ham radio all day and refuse to exercise? Are we not supposed to ask ourselves what kind of unmet psychological needs cause you to overeat? You should be asking yourself these questions!

Then on your website you make entirely inappropriate, off-the-wall comments, obviously intended to boost your own ego without any regard to how they come across to others, such where you brag about your stupid ham radio "accomplishments" and then say that you are:

Easy Going
Pleasant
Dependable
Fair
Reliable
Confident in my abilities
Self Reliant
Trustworthy
A good Friend to have
I hold a degree in morality

What the hell is "a degree in morality", and can't you see how inappropriate and fatuous it is to claim to have one?

Don't you realize that statements like this make others think that you must be not only totally insecure, but also have no concept of the image you portray to others?

Carl, you must be one of the weirdest hams I've ever met. You have a whole bunch of psychological hangups which you have failed to deal with, fail to recognize, and apparently expect others to overlook. And then you complain when others suggest that maybe you should deal with your problems. I give up on you. You're hopeless.

Carl Richardson said...

Billy,

Who is the one that is insecure here?, You are the one turning my observations into a personal attack. My weight and medical condition is not the issue here, nor is it something you know anything about. If I am not mistaken, your career was as a lawyer not a Medical Doctor, so your observations in regards to my health are irrelevant. I have no insecurities in myself, nor do I have any problems with my appearance. You may continue to insult me; you seem to do that best. I really don’t care!

By the way,

Have a nice day!

Anonymous said...

Wow, is Carl really 450 pounds?!!!
No wonder he likes people being band from the BCW group, he fears someone might tell him that he needs to watch his weight. How do you even move with 450 lbs?

Joshua Stark (KC5KYZ) said...

And people wonder why I got frustrated with people in Amateur Radio... Some of you are amazingly childish and too immature for the language you claim you use so eloquently. So Carl doesn't type well in English! He speaks it well and unlike Ezzy, has a tendancy to be more accomodating to other people's opinions. Who cares what he weighs? Who is the absolute moron that uses a childish defense such as a person's physical shortcomings to make his point?? Watch out, Bill, your maturity is showing... i would tuck it away somewhere where it doesn't show you as such a butt.

I have a question for you: Do you not see that you are doing the same things you are accusing these people of? Who is the bigger man? Sounds like you aren't a man at all, but a whining child. You may have points, but your unfortunate use of insults to inflate your ego has deflated your argument in my eyes.

I thought that the purpose of amateur radio in general was the encouragement of other hams and the promotion of the hobby and its importance in the community.

This is amazing. Congratulations. If you act this way on the air, I have absolutely no reason to get my General ticket.

Anonymous said...

The frustration with people in Amateur radio is due to the give away licenses. Anyone can get one, which leads me to wonder why you only want a General class. You don't actually have to know anything, just memorize some questions and answers. Since a General class requires code, it wouldn't be too much more memorizing to get your Extra. As for maturity, if you are looking for it in Amateur Radio, you picked the wrong hobby.

Bill Crowell said...

Carl, we do have a right to know how much you weigh. If you are indeed grossly, morbidly overweight, it reflects on your credibility and we have the right to know about it in order to properly evaluate the weight we should accord to your opinions. In other words, if you have absolutely no control over your eating habits and refuse to exercise, it indicates that you have very poor judgment and lousy decisionmaking skills. And if you aren't grossly, morbidly, out-of-this-world fat, why do you refuse to say how much you weigh? I'll tell you right now, I'm 5'11" and I weigh 190. I would weigh less, except that I've been working out and have built up a hard, muscular body and muscle tissue is dense. I challenge you to tell us how much you weigh, Carl. Why not go ahead and tell us? And why don't we ever see any pictures of you and your bride-to-be together? Might it be that the very idea of a bale-of-hay-with-the-middle-wire-broken marrying a small woman is ludicrous on its face?

Carl Richardson said...

Billy, I was getting ready to post a long reply regarding your last post, but after thinking it over for a while I decided that I don’t have to justify myself to you or anyone else. Simply put my weight is none of your damn business!

Have a nice day!

Anonymous said...

OK, so now you know why Billy the Jammer was banned from the list.

But really, who cares?

Bill Crowell said...

Banned from WHAT list? If you're talking about the hamfanz list, I quit it myself after Evvy refused to do anything about K6MIT's death threats and, indeed, got mad at Steve when he complained to yahoo groups about it? What the hell are you talking about?

Fatties, fatties, fatties, all of you. Sickos. Fat sickos. Fat, fat, fat. Bouncing blubber. You should all be ashamed of yourself for neglecting your health, being so self-indulgent, and expecting normal, healthy people to foot your medical bills. Would you please just fuck off and die? Thank you.

Carl Richardson said...

My goodness! What an astounding intellectual comment.

liveinthewire said...

Whoa! . . . Wrong room.

(Apologies to Gary Larson.)

Joshua Stark said...

To anonymous...

Life happened to me. My mother died. I lost my job, and have had to work 80-90 hours a week to make it. Speaking of life: Get one.

Anonymous said...

Looks like Evvy is jealous of the 3840SteveFans group as she has banned the owner of the group from her Hamfanz group. Talk about an immature and jealous crybaby.

Anonymous said...

I just joined the BCW list. It appears it is no more. There was only one other member and now messages. When I posted a new message, it got returned to my email as undeliverable.

evvy said...

Since I know nadda of the status of the BCW group, (though I've heard that everything there is fine), I can only tell you that HamFanz is going strong. Perhaps you joined the wrong list!

You can find the link to join Hamfanz right on this page...

 

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