Thursday, September 08, 2005

The God Experiment


From the above ‘statement’ on http://www.hamcams.com/ today, it would seem artie w6obb’s grand experiment didn’t quite work out as he’d planned.

Instead of the masses worshiping at artie’s feet in thankful gratitude for the great and wonderful thing he’d provided for them, The Pahrump Receiver, only the loyal loop worshipers responded appropriately.

Worse yet, somewhere along the way, artie lost control of the Pahrump Receiver; folks were not following HIS directions on how, and when to use HIS Receiver! Once he realized this, he took several impotent steps towards ‘correction’ of these problems.

-The first thing he did was to institute a one hour listening limit, instead of leaving it on a ‘first come, first serve basis.

-Then he proceeded to ‘edit’ what was replayed the next day.

-Lastly, he would leave the tuner on 3.840 while he and some of his cronies went to another frequency.

-Now he’s threatening to close down the Pahrump Receiver if those nasty little ‘jammers’ don’t stop playing with HIS toy. The old, I’m gonna take my toys and go home, game little children play.

Good riddance I say.

Perhaps Jim Southwick n7js will put a tuner back on his page. Even with all the ‘jerks’ that we had to deal with there (and there were a lot of ‘em, being the tuner was not ‘passworded’), it was still far better, fairer, than what artie’s done.

Or maybe Kent Nyberg wm70 will get another tuner up and running soon. You don’t have to kiss anyone’s’ ass to listen on those tuners! These two guys truly provided a ‘service’ in the full sense of the word…

11 comments:

liveinthewire said...

evvy wrote:

> those nasty little ‘jammers’

As far as I can tell, the only "jammer" causing trouble in this case is Steve-O.

Rather than focusing your enimity on Bell, who you say is "gonna take [his] toys and go home," why not blame the spoiled kid who keeps having a screaming tantrum in the middle of the playing field, thus ruining the game for everyone?

Sure, Bell's reaction is a bit autocratic, but look what he, and all of us, are having to put up with. I can't blame him for covering his tail; none of us want to be dragged into Steve-O's impending FCC train wreck.

Anonymous said...

It's his equipment, he can do what he wants with it. Repeater owners often face the same kinds of criticism. They spend money and work their butts off getting the frequencies coordinated and installing the machine, then all of a sudden everybody wants to "help" run it. Or worse, somebody does something wrong on it and the OWNER gets a warning from the FCC.

If you want to implement your own ideas on how to run an online receiver, buy a rig that can be computer controlled, buy bandwidth or find someone who will donate bandwidth, find some software to tie it all together. Run it yourself.

Seems like a better use of time and money than buying up domain names with Trish's old callsign...

Anonymous said...

Running an online tuner is not like a repeater - you can pretty much rebroadcast the non copyrighted airwaves to your hearts content. It doesn't make you responsible for the foul languange necessarily. It's ironic, but the Steve O's are actually driving more people to listen to that frequency if you want to look at it from a popularity standpoint.
Art may actually be experiencing what I long ago experienced. Why spend a small fortune to rebroadcast a soap opera. What are you really accomplishing?? After you get past the "honeymoon" aspect of it. (Gee, what a neat toy, look everybody) you start to say to yourself.....hummmm, the thrill is gone. At that point, you either say say screw it, I want to make money on it, or I'm going to be altruistic about it. Damn near everyone does the first 2 ultimately. If you go the last route, then you find it's hard to be altruistic if you don't see the benefit. My initial aspect was to further the hobby AND especially the magic of an online user controlled tuner. People could listen and tune to themselves for an audio check, tune to air traffic, AM Broadcast, SWL, watch live SSTV, echolink crossband, chat, etc. I want that back. To have something that flexible with alot of money invested in it and a TON of time - just to have it hanging out on 3840 all the time, was after some realization, in my estimation, a damn waste of resources and equipment. It certainly wasn't furthering the hobby. Jammers, espousing intelligence, constant audio checks, and egos do not further this hobby. They only further a good buzz on some beer. (It's a great frequency to have a few beers on...I'll give it that). Good will and good operator practice does. You need to tune around for that. And furthermore, the novelty of the whole thing had worn off by then for me.
I understand that there is an aspect of joy for people just to be able to listen to 3840 who otherwise could not, such as Evvy, SWL's etc. That frequency, with the jamming, etc. is actually something people want to hear. It's like the Jerry Springer show. They love it. I would rarely watch it, but I know alot of people like to. AND, it probably the only freq. where people are talking at 3AM. If those are your hours, where else are you going to talk?? That part of me wants to provide a service. But I can do that with a $50 radio, an internet connection and an old computer. Big deal. Maybe I'll do that as a side site. HOWEVER, MOST OF YOU CAN DO THAT NOW. So in response to the inquiries that if Art pulls his receiver down - the real answer is to have listeners out there or anyone for that matter (get a cheap Sony radio, plug it in your sound card, fire up the free encoder software, and throw a piece of wire out your window) and stream 3840. There could be a dozen sites doing it in no time at all. Here is my little altruistic service (instead of wasting jimandleah's user controlled tuner). I will create a page to consolidate them all with a catchy URL. How about WWW.HAMSTREAMS.COM I'm laughing as I write this, but I just think that would work. So there are options, and that is my opinion.
Anyway, something for everyone to chew on. Have a good one.
73 Jim N7JS

www.jimandleah.com (currently under construction) It will be back.

Anonymous said...

Good will and good operator practice does. You need to tune around for that.

BINGO!!

evvy said...

Jim n7js wrote: But I can do that with a $50 radio, an internet connection and an old computer. Big deal. Maybe I'll do that as a side site. HOWEVER, MOST OF YOU CAN DO THAT NOW.

Jim, I sure would if I could. I'd put a page on 3840HamFans, and just stream. Unfortunately, I don't have a radio, a computer w/a sound card, and I don't get good reception here. Nor do I have the funds to purchase the needed bandwidth.

If anyone would like to help me set this up, I'd be glad too...

Anonymous said...

Ok, I did it. I actually registered www.hamstreams.com (it cracks me up because it sounds like hamstrings.com) I'll build it and people can come on board as they please. You heard it here first. It will basically be a consolidation page for various audio streams from anyone in the US or wherever to stream that wonderful frequency of 3840 - and not tie up the online tuner for it. If Art's is full or he pulls it down.....here is your life raft so nobody is taking their lives or going into deep depression. Would be cool to have all 50 states for shits and giggles. It's like hamcams, but you get a little audio spot for yourself in shining lights. I actually did this a long time ago with a consolidation page for video streams (and then it lost steam when hamcams started - which was fine w/ me).
Jimandleah will be streaming via smeter.net. when I get all this crap put together. That site is different in the fact they host the audio. This will just be something casual and easy for those who are interested in hosting their own audio but need the exposure so people can find it. Give me awhile as I have a million things on my plate. Hopefully that should appease everyone including myself.
73 Jim N7JS

Anonymous said...

For the record I believe Steve was the life of the party. He was the only person that had enough balls to tell art and others to piss off. It was great. Right on steve:) I have listened to the 3.840 kult for about a year now and everything seems to be focused on arts big loop, humm art your big antenna covering up a smaller problem? I have also noticed it seems like a person would have to be blessed by art or one of his flunkies just to talk on that frequencie, and Art you say you are trying to get more interested in ham radio? Bullshit you just want more people to kiss your ass. And as far as your online reciever goes SO WHAT, TAKE IT DOWN!! You are the only man I know that would spend that much money For a online RECIEVER. You ever heard of windows media encoder? Its free. Also ever shop at walmart? Shit by a grundig handheld reciever for 20 bucks and plug it into your soundcard. Ham radio should be fun and if a person was new to ham radio and heard 3.840 they would have a change of heart. One more thing you guys ever heard of harmful interference? Ya its what you do all the time, example steve is talking then all of a sudden W6OBB is spoken at 1500 watts... Screw 3.840 I would rather listen to 11 meters or even better static..

evvy said...

Jim n7js wrote: I actually registered www.hamstreams.com (it cracks me up because it sounds like hamstrings.com) I'll build it and people can come on board as they please.

That's great Jim (& I think 'HamStreams' is perfecto, and in line w/the rest of the madness!!! LOL).

If there's anything I can do to help, just let me know....

Anonymous said...

those nasty little ‘jammers’

As far as I can tell, the only "jammer" causing trouble in this case is Steve-O.


I don't think it is just steve-o. There are muiltable signals coming in from the north and the south. It is most likely to be one of arties clan doing it just to make steve-o look worse. Pretty shitty what a person would do to make another look bad. Or maybe its getting that person(s) brown nose points with a radio host. Who knows. Someone wrote in one of the blogs that they don't care what you think (evvy) but evvy you will be surprised who listens to what you say or have said. I have been a listener for a while now and even i have noticed how selective artie is on talking to certain people. I get a kick out of when a mobile station gets on there first thing artie says is "TURN ON YOUR AMP" what happened to that big loop? Can't hear huh? Imagine a mobile station trucking a 5700 watt generator behind so they could use their big amp. I would think it would be a little more fun to run lower power levels like 100 watts on hf that way you could tell how good your loop or dipole or whatever your antenna flavor was working. Anyone could get a legal limit amp hook it up to their chainlink fence and be heard. Wheres the fun in this? Also i think a ham radio operator should build, experiment and assemble their own antennas or projects. If i recall artie had a team of people set his LOOP up, whos design was it now? I'm a technician class license holder and hell i have even built and assembled a working coax trap dipole for one of local ham clubs. I have been thinking to not upgrade my license if this is how the hf bands are.

73

evvy said...

An Anon Poster wrote: "Someone wrote in one of the blogs that they don't care what you think (evvy) but evvy you will be surprised who listens to what you say or have said."

So it's been 'rumored'. I just wish some of 'em would hit that 'donate' button once in awhile! This blog & the related 3840 activities take a great deal of my time!

And thank you for reading & posting to the 3840HamFans Blog! Opinions are ALWAYS welcome here, especially from obviously intelligent folks :->

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said:
"I would think it would be a little more fun to run lower power levels like 100 watts on hf that way you could tell how good your loop or dipole or whatever your antenna flavor was working. Anyone could get a legal limit amp hook it up to their chainlink fence and be heard."

That's sort of an idealistic but uneducated view of when it is useful to run an amp. I only run 100 watts into a dipole, and it IS fun, except that in the summer on 75 meters it is unworkable. I can put an S9 signal into any station within 1000 miles of here, but most times the static is S9+10 or S9+20. When that happens, I'm not heard. Period. I know I get out, because in the most recent North American QSO Party SSB contest I was being heard on 75 meters from Newfoundland to Hawaii. But in a contest, people have an incentive to year you--they pay attention and pick your callsign and exchange out of the mud. Why? Because at worst I am points, and at best I am a multiplier. Not so in everyday ragchewing.

Having a bigger receiving antenna is no real solution. Unless the antenna is directional and can be pointed away from the source of the static, a bigger antenna magnifies signal and noise alike. Since verticals and inverted vees, flattop dipoles at heights less than a half wave, or loops at any height are pretty much omnidirectional, most people on 75 can't point their antennas away from the source of the static. They kick in their attenuators or lower their RF gain to avoid getting a headache from the static and only talk to people they can hear--people running a lot of power. It's perfectly fine.

Consequently, as much fun as it is, I simply do not work 75 meters during the late spring through early fall. It's simply too much work for others to hear me or anybody else running 100 watts. Unlike DXing or Contesting, where the operator is content with a simple 59 exchange then on to the next station, ragchewers like to be able to hear without fatigue.

There are many, many fun aspects to Ham radio, and I am quite content to pursue those different aspects during the summer. During summer months, for example, I work a lot of digital modes -- RTTY, PSK, and especially MFSK-16 which is an error-correcting mode less affected by noisy bands. I work digi DX during the morning grayline when it is nice and quiet, and I work more 20 meter DX because 20 is less noisy with static and is usually open well into the night during the summer months.

Ragchewing on 75 meters is only a small part of what I enjoy, unlike others to whom it is 100 percent. I don't fault anybody who wants to restrict themselves to the ragchewing part of the hobby, nor do I criticize anyone who actually wants to be heard or to hear the other guy.

Don't put people down because they run power. It is pretty much a necessity on 40, 80, and 160 for about 9 months out of the year.

 

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